Time to hang up the hose?
Some debate whether Schoenrock, 74, is too old to be fire chief
by E. Assata Wright
Reporter staff writer
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FIRED UP – George Schoenrock (far left) will take over as fire chief Jan. 1.
FIRED UP – George Schoenrock (far left) will take over as fire chief Jan. 1.
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On Jan. 1, for the third time in his career as a volunteer firefighter, George Schoenrock will become chief of the Secaucus Volunteer Fire Department.

In his 48 years in the department, Schoenrock, 74, has seen the town grow from “meadows to concrete,” as he told the Reporter last year, and has lived through – and helped extinguish – some of Secaucus’ worst fires, including one at the American Can Company in the 1960s.
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“To me, it’s a matter of life and safety.” – Secaucus firefighter
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It’s a history many, perhaps even all, of the rank and file firefighters in the department acknowledge and respect, a history that is always mentioned in interviews and conversations when they discuss Schoenrock, who currently serves as the department’s deputy chief.

But lately, some in the department have openly questioned whether a man of Schoenrock’s age should assume the position of chief.

“I’m not saying he can’t be a member of the Fire Department,” said one Secaucus firefighter who did not want to be identified. “There are a lot of things a man with his experience can do. He can still contribute. But being an active firefighter? No. I don’t think he should be doing that. Not at 74.”

Fit for active duty?

In addition to captains and lieutenants, the Secaucus Volunteer Fire Department hierarchy includes a battalion chief, a deputy chief, and a chief. Every two years the membership elects a new battalion chief who serves in that position for two years. That person then automatically moves up in rank and assumes the position of deputy chief for two years. After that, the individual moved up and serves as chief for two years.
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“If I’m healthy enough to do the job, why not do it?” – George Schoenrock
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This means that Schoenrock will be 76 when he completes his current tenure as fire chief.

“I don’t want to knock the guy. I like the guy. I just think his age is a big factor,” said one firefighter last week, who, like the other members of the department interviewed, did not want to be identified in this story. “I don’t think he’s competent to do the job. This guy wears two hearing aids. How could he possibly know what’s going on? He don’t hear half the calls as it is. And who in their right mind would want to be a fire chief at 74, 75 years old? It doesn’t make sense.”

Most paid fire departments have age restrictions. They set a maximum age for applicants to join the department, and require chiefs to retire by 65.

In some larger fire departments a fire chief may rarely see active duty and may serve more as an administrator or manager of the department.

In Secaucus, however, which has a department of 90 firefighters, the chief sees plenty of front-line action.

The current Fire Chief, Mayor Michael Gonnelli, declined to address Schoenrock’s age. He said the department has responded to 715 calls this year and that he personally has responded – as an active firefighter – to about 70 percent of those calls.

Chief ‘requires foresight’

Firefighters interviewed last week described the strategic approach a chief must take to each fire scene.

“You have to consider, every time a fire engine rolls out, it could be a serious call,” said one member of the department. A chief, he added, “has to be able to make decisions, quick decisions, on the spot, which is a very important part of being chief. Schoenrock can’t make those kinds of quick decisions anymore. To me, it’s a matter of life and safety.”

En route to every call, firefighters said, a chief has to consider what the scene might be and once there, according to one firefighter, must be able to quickly “size up what he sees and what he doesn’t see, so he can paint an accurate picture for the guys coming.”

The chief also has to “establish command at the scene…You have to look at this whole big scene and say, This is where everybody’s going to go and this is what they’re going to do: Engine 3, you’re going to take the attack. Ladder 1, I want you in the front of the building. I need the ladder to the roof. Engine 1, you’re going to be the water supply. You need to supply water to Engine 3.’ ”

The position, another firefighter said, “requires a little bit of foresight.”

When it was noted that Schoenrock was chief in 1991 and 1992, the firefighters interviewed said he was much younger then.

“The basics of firefighting are the same,” said one. “But there’s new stuff you gotta know every day, every month. [Schoenrock is] not able to keep up with that at [74].”

In an October interview with the Reporter Gonnelli said dealing with terrorist attacks is now a significant part of what firefighters are expected to know.

Ascension to chief rooted in sagas

The reasons Schoenrock will take his third turn as fire chief are rooted in two long Secaucus sagas that came to a head in 2008.

When that year began, Robert Parisi was chief, Gonnelli was deputy chief, and Charles T. Synder was battalion chief. By the end of the year two of them – Gonnelli and Snyder – would be out. Snyder voluntarily resigned from the department in August 2008 after being implicated in a harassment lawsuit that cost the town millions of dollars.

Gonnelli, who at the time was a town councilman, had been fighting a conflict of interest matter before the state Department of Community Affairs. Weeks before he was to be sworn in as chief, Gonnelli gave up the position after the administration of former Mayor Dennis Elwell told him he could not simultaneously serve as councilman and chief.

Schoenrock, who was voted as acting battalion chief in Snyder’s place, soon moved up two ranks and became chief when Gonnelli stepped aside.

Earlier this year, when state law was changed to allow elected officials to also be senior officers of volunteer departments, Gonnelli became chief (in addition to being mayor), and Schoenrock was bumped back down to being deputy chief.

Now that Gonnelli’s tenure as chief is about to end on Dec. 31, Schoenrock is in line to take over the top spot in the department.

Schoenrock: ‘I’m healthy’

In response to the issues raised, Schoenrock said last week that the membership need not be concerned.

“If I’m healthy enough to do the job, why not do it? That would be my answer,” said Schoenrock. “You got some people who are half dead at 60, and other people who are healthier and in better shape at 80. You can’t always tell what someone is capable of just by going off their age. If I didn’t have my health I would not do the job.”

He added that he is still sharp mentally and pointed out that, as a retiree, he can commit to the department “100 percent,” something a younger chief who is still in the workforce cannot do.

Ironically, all of the firefighters interviewed – including Schoenrock – said they believe the Fire Department should follow the example of paid departments and should set an age restriction for senior officers. There was disagreement on what that age should be.

Gonnelli, 55, said he would probably stop being an active firefighter by the time he is 60.

Other firefighters said the age limit could be as high as 65.

Schoenrock said, “The retirement age would have to be set by the Fire Department.”

If an age restriction were to be set, it would have to be decided by the rank and file, Gonnelli said, and then approved by the Town Council.

E-mail E. Assata Wright at awright@hudsonreporter.com.

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JoeBolton
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December 24, 2010
I saw George and two of his men loading up his Fire Chief's car with beer and wine from the Wine Outlet this afternoon. Hopefully only the fire trucks will be lit up in case of a run.
NationalMedicalStandards
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December 22, 2010
The National Medical Standards state: "A medical condition that would preclude a person from performing as a firefighter in a training or emergency operational environment by presenting a significant risk to the safety and health of the person or others" as a bar to employment for someone with your specific handicap (partial deafness).

Abnormal hearing requiring a hearing aid or impairing a member's ability to hear and understand the spoken voice under conditions of high background noise, or hear, recognize, and directionally locate cries or audible alarms, interferes with safe performance of essential job tasks

A.6.5 Currently, no hearing tests will allow the fire department physician to accurately predict whether the fire fighter will adequately be able to safely perform essential job duties. Job-specific hearing tests should be individualized for each department and its specific job functions. The following list of hearing-specific tasks can assist to direct development of hearing protocols:(1) Understanding spoken commands, both over the radio and while wearing SCBA (2) Hearing alarm signals, including building evacuation, low air alarm on the SCBA, and PASS alarms(3) Hearing and locating the source of calls for assistance from victims or otherfire fighters All of these tasks will need to be performed with reasonably simulated incident scene background noise and SCBA noise. The inability to hear sounds of low intensity or todistinguish voice from background noise can lead to failure to respond to imminently hazardous situations. (See 5.1.3.1.) A.6.5.2(1) Unequal hearing can result in the inability to localize sounds, leading to failure in the ability to safely perform search and rescue and other localization tasks.

Can Schoenrock pass any of these tests ? Im sure the town can get old radio transmissions that are recorded in the PD to see if Schoenrock answered any if at all radio transmissions when he was called at a scene.

LetUsPray
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December 22, 2010
After reading this article last week, I spoke with a few of the town’s firefighters that I know. They all confirmed that a serious problem exists. Chief Schoenrock never answers his radio when they try calling him at a fire scene or he answers the wrong fire truck. I was also told that sometimes he goes to the wrong building and that other firefighters have to take command of the scene because he is nowhere to be found. They said that many times he goes into a building with just his helmet on. I agree that the elected officials need to step in and do something. I did some research into the town code and it says that a chief can be removed for good cause. I think this falls under that category. Here is the town code: “Suspension or expulsion of any Fire Chief from the Department. The Mayor and Council shall, upon good cause or for any violation of the laws of the State of New Jersey, or this chapter, suspend or expel any Fire Chief provided, however, that such Fire Chief shall have an opportunity to be heard before said governing body”. I don’t think the governing body what this on their hands if something happens. They wouldn’t be able to blame this on the past administration.

JoeBolton
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December 22, 2010
I've seen him speed through the town with his Fire Chiefs SUV with the lights and siren on to get to Bagel Buffet. He's an accidnt waiting to happen.
BlackAndWhite
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December 15, 2010
Volunteer firefighters are not bound under contracts or part of a union. If the town’s administrators think he is a safety issue, they are obligated to replace him. Not only are other firefighters at risk, but so are the residents of town.
INJUSTIME
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December 15, 2010
The mayor and council have the right to remove a person if they find cause that that person may be or cause a danger to residents or visitors in the town. This is a safety issue.
SecaucusSam
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December 14, 2010
Imascared has a very good point. How is he covered by the towns insurance? The towns insurance carrier must have some type of limits. If members of the fire department see a problem with him being chief at his age, maybe thats cause for removal.
1075
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December 13, 2010
Has anyone seen how fast Chief Schoenrock drives to a fire? I would be more concerned about that. This whole thing has disaster written all over it. The mayor and council need to step in and do something. The other posts commented about lawsuits, how about if something happens to Schoenrock, can his family sue the town for allowing him to stay an active firefighter at 74?
stockcar
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December 13, 2010
So i guess my 71 year old father can join the fire department? Only in Secaucus.
5timesbetter
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December 13, 2010
Mike, you may lose George and his families vote next election, but it’s better than losing someone’s property or life.
Imascared
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December 12, 2010
Mayor Gonnelli of all people should know what a dangerous situation this could be. This should have been dealt with before it ever hit the paper. Like the other posts said, there is too great of risk that something tragic could happen. I would like to know how George Schoenrock is even covered by the towns insurance. The problem with volunteer fire departments is that the rank of chiefs is decided by the popular vote. It should be decided by who is the most qualified. How many of the chiefs, past and present have had incident command training, firefighter3 or even taken a test to move up the ranks? The popular vote to elect a chief may have been ok 30 years ago, but times have changed and so is the way fires are fought.
OzzyAndHarriet
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December 12, 2010
Itstime, has brought up some very good points. Mayor Gonnelli and council need to act on this matter quickly. They can’t just look the other way. I know that my grandfather who is in his 70’s should not be even driving. When our family says something to him he tells us he is fine and has been driving since he was 16. But we see otherwise. A man of that age should not have the responsibility to head a fire department of 90 men.
ItsTime
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December 12, 2010
First off, I'd like to say that I have the utmost respect for the SFD and George's 48 years as a volunteer, but there comes a time in life when you must face reality and step aside. after reading this article, what disturbs me the most, is that the Mayor/Fire Chief knows about this potentially dangerous situation, and has been allowing it to happen. In the article, George says that he is healthy and his age has nothing to do with it. But, a proven fact is, that as we all age, our perception and reaction time diminishes, sometimes without us even realizing it. The good news about this information that has come to light, is that a dangerous or tragic situation can now be prevented before it happens. Sometimes, it may be best to hurt someones feelings now, than to have to deal with a tragedy later on. In today's world of law suits, I can only imagine the outcome if something were to happen. Who would be held liable? The Mayor? Council? Other firefighters who did nothing to prevent it? Something for all of us to think about.
RealTime
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December 12, 2010
Talk about a lawsuit waiting to happen. A fireman that old should not be allowed to run the department. What would happen if he can’t hear his radio and makes a wrong decision? If there was a loss of life the mayor and council would be held liable just for the fact that they knew about his age and hearing problems. If think the mayor and council need to act on replacing him with a younger and more qualified person. We don’t need to lose a fireman or resident in a fire, especially if it can be prevented.